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  • Pat Noble posted an update in the group HELP: The Official NorthernChristian.org Website Help User Group:   2 months, 3 weeks ago · View

    Is there a way to be notified by email or RSS of new events? I thought that by subscribing to ’site wide’ RSS I’d get event notices. Any way?

  • Ed Sachs posted an update in the group Missions:   2 months, 3 weeks ago · View

    Pastor Sampurna Rao from Hyderabad, India is visiting the North Country. He will be speaking in Goveneur on Sunday June 20th and at North Country Community Church in Potsdam on Sunday June 27th. He has planted six churches in the metropolis of Hyderabad and has faced great difficulty and persecution. Take the opportunity to hear him speak.

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      Pat Noble · 2 months, 3 weeks ago

      Hey thanks Ed for using the group. I am going to email a whole bunch of folks soon asking them to join. When you see this group grow (hopefully) you might want to resend this invitation. I’ll be out of town on the 27th but where is he going to be speaking in Gouvernuer?

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        Ed Sachs · 2 months, 3 weeks ago

        I am not sure where he will be in Governeur but will post that and any other local engagements as soon as I hear about them.

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  • Pat Noble posted an update in the group Webmasters:   2 months, 3 weeks ago · View

    Just came across this free webinar for those who were not able to attend the workshop Pat Wilbur did for us. (or even if you did!)
    ”Demonstration of How to create a simple church ministry website in WordPress.com” will be Wednesday at 2 pm.
    It looks like these webinars are free if attend it live. Later the download will cost you a membership.
    Check out their website Effective Church Communication here.
    http://www.effectivechurchcom.com/
    Or go here to register.
    https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/586580546

  • Sabel Bong posted an update in the group Non-profit Organization Administrators:   3 months, 1 week ago · View

    ”Non-Profits Can Be More Rewarding Than You Think”

    Running a non-profit organization can be a very rewarding experience, but it can also be a very nerve-wracking experience. In my opinion, at college job fairs, graduating college students seem to overlook the number of non-profit jobs that are out there. Many graduating students automatically line up to work in the for-profit world with their eyes on a high salary and high power jobs in major companies. However, after a couple of months or years later, many college graduates will find their high paying jobs and high stress jobs unfulfilling and end up transitioning to other jobs. Not to mention company downsizing, layoffs, and companies going out of business.
    The non-profit sector is always in need of highly talented, highly motivated, and intelligent young people. I think there is a misconception of non-profit jobs as low paying careers without the glamour and glitz of its private sector counterpart. However, careers in the non-profit can be very rewarding personally AND the monetary compensation/salaries are not as low as people think they are. In fact, non-profit administrators can set their own salaries as long as it is proportionate to the company’s overall budget amount. The salary is often set based on the non-profit’s overall operating budget for the year. Therefore, if a non-profit Executive Director oversees an organization that has an operating budget of $1 million or more, then I think the Executive Director can appropriately ask for monetary compensation that is in line with the operating budget.
    Therefore, non-profit administrators’ salaries and compensations can fluctuate from modest salaries to multi-million dollar salaries. This is my opinion and I think that working for a non-profit provides many opportunities to positively change the world and be able to use all the gifts God has given you. Just imagine helping the world, being properly compensated for it, and enjoying the work that you do. I think that there are some pros to working or volunteering in the non-profit sector that working in the private sector may not bring.
    Please reply to this post with comments or remarks whether you agree or disagree with my statements.
    Sabel Bong

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  • Pat Wilbur posted an update in the group Business Owners:   3 months, 2 weeks ago · View

    http://northernchristian.org/community/businesses/ has been updated with new headings and new businesses! Be sure to check it out! :-)

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  • add a nice, friendly, 404 page

  • Pat Noble posted an update in the group Missions:   3 months, 2 weeks ago · View

    As the missions team leader of my church for the past decade plus, I and my team have had to make some hard choices. I am still pondering the wisdom of some long held practices among Western churches. Here is a good article by Vinoth Ramachandra of Sri Lanka, on the value of short term missions trips.

    Who Says “No” to “Mission Trips”?

    Here is a staggering statistic that I came across recently. Robert Wuthnow, the eminent sociologist of religion at Princeton University has estimated that up to 1.6 million American Christians take part in overseas “mission trips” each year, with churches spending at least $2.4 billion per year on such trips. What is unsurprising is that many of these 1-3 week “mission trips” are to the Caribbean and Central America, with luxury resorts such as the Bahamas reporting one “short-term missionary” for every 15 residents. One would expect Mexico, which receives the most American “mission teams” every year, to be the most Christian nation on earth.

    In the distant days when I was a university student in London, I had friends among people who came from all over the world. They embraced all religions and none. Some of them still remain friends. Occasionally I would take a backpack and “bum around” Europe. I would travel by train and public buses, stay in youth hostels or sleep in railway stations like thousands of other young tourists. I would love nothing better than to land in a strange city and explore it from one end to another (or as much as possible) by foot. Sometimes I would contact local churches and, if I spoke a smattering of the language, join their Sunday worship. Before visiting a country, not only did I pore over maps to acquaint myself with the geographical layout, but devoured books on its history, including the history and present situation of the Christian church.

    My thoughts return to these experiences whenever my wife and I receive a request from some Western (or rich Asian) church to find someone in Sri Lanka or India willing to host a team of young people who want to undertake a “mission trip”. We don’t doubt the sincerity of those who want to practise neighbour love or share the gospel with people in other lands. But good intentions, history reminds us, often do not translate into good outcomes. But those who are enthusiastic about such “mission trips” usually don’t have the patience to study history.

    It is customary for the leaders of such teams to inform us that such an “exposure” is absolutely vital for these (relatively affluent) kids to discover the world and become (it is hoped) missionaries in the long term. “Mission”, in this way of thinking, is what one does elsewhere, not in one’s own neighbourhood or nation. It baffles us why such Christian kids cannot learn about the world by doing what I, and several millions of their non-Christian peers, have done over decades: simply travelling as tourists and exploring the countries we visit, learning about the history and culture as we do so. Moreover, in America, Europe and Australia, there are millions of people today from every religion, culture and nation to be found in almost every major city: why not stay and learn about “mission” from the local churches that are working among such people?

    It also baffles us as to why such Christians first need to have an “exposure” to mission before they engage in mission, when the great majority of missionaries in the world are poor and unable to afford such costly trips. Having a rich nation’s passport, and not requiring visas to most countries, makes it easier to be a “short-term missionary”. I heard recently of two Chinese women who felt called to be missionaries in Cambodia. So they simply went there overland and took jobs in a factory, and joined a local church. They didn’t first plan a “mission trip” to gain “exposure”, nor are they starting another “church-planting project”. We find ourselves wondering: how did Christian mission become reduced to “missions” and now to “mission trips”? What is the harm in simply coming as a tourist, if one is seriously curious about a place? If, on the other hand, one wants to come and serve the native church, why not simply do what the two Chinese women did?

    There are few Asian Christians who will openly refuse to welcome such “mission teams”. The more opportunistic among us tend to see such visits as a chance to receive favours in return: for example, a parting gift of money or a future invitation to visit a team member in his or her own country. But most Asian Christians will not refuse simply because hospitality is a cherished value and an ancient tradition, especially among the rural poor. I remember a Burmese pastor once telling me, when I enquired why the Burmese church graciously continued to host visits from affluent Singaporean Christians coming as “evangelism trainers” (to Burmese churches that had much more to teach the Singaporeans about evangelism than vice versa), he simply replied, “We find it difficult to say “no” to visitors.”

    This is just one dilemma. It is extremely difficult for us to say to zealous American, Singaporean or Korean Christians that they are really not needed. While there is a lot of talk about “mission partnerships” these days, the theologies of mission that we hold are rarely scrutinized and challenged in a genuine rich-poor encounter. The world of “ missions” seems hopelessly fragmented- and more pragmatist than ever. As long as this state of affairs continues, will not the practice of “partnership” be loaded in favour of those churches with the bigger wallets and the louder voices?

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